Um..Okay Torchwood Question

[kristen999]

The past two weekends I've left Dr. Who and Torchwood on in the background while I wrote. It makes me raise an eyebrow or two now and then. I should just go on wikipedia but if I ever decide to watch from the beginning without being spoiled, I don't want to.

But Jack just go stabbed in the chest by this..well um alien knife/sword thing and he just walked or more like ran away without batting an eye.

Can he not be hurt or something?

Comments

[ditraveler.livejournal.com]

yes he can't died, during an episode of doctor who when Rose absorb the vortex of bla bla time and all the knowledge of the universe or something alon ght lines of that, Jack died and she gave him back his life and since then he can't died. Kind of sucks in the long run for him.

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

Huh..well I've seen two episodes of Dr. Who..one eppy that was pretty bad and one that was amusing but nothing that realy grabs me..so yeah..I know nothing about it...the show is quite confusing to me.

SO, Jack can't die....huh, kind of makes it anti-climatic I guess.

Still might poke around the series.

[ditraveler.livejournal.com]

tourchwood is OK it's more "adult content" than Doctor who and a lot more open since Jack its bisexual and it's kind of funny since he is such a Flirt lol.
but I like the the doctor better, I don't LOVE it as much as my hubby who it's a die hard doctor who fan.
But I have seen some pretty good episodes, my fav is"the girl in the fireplace" It's funny en sad, wonderful

[pfyre.livejournal.com]

actually it's not that Jack cannot die - it is that he does not STAY dead

Rose's actions that brought him back to life had the unexpected side effect of making him a 'fixed point in time and space' according to the Doctor - Jack is "wrong" and shouldn't exist

my advice with Doctor Who is to start with the Christopher Eccelston Doctor's eps and move forward from that time - and you could always goto Wikipedia and do a bit of reading on it - there are some fairly thorough descriptions of the show there

as for Jack not being able to die making it anti-climatic - well the thing to keep him mind - he might come back to life - but he does suffer the death and generally it is not pleasant - plus if he's just injured he heals at the same rate as a normal human - only when he 'dies' does he have a miraculous healing/recovery - I'm figuring in the ep where the alien stabbed him - that Jack was basically hovering on death's doorstep while waiting for Gwen (don't get me started on her!) to finish disabling the alien tech - so when he pulled off the alien sword - he 'healed' instantly cause basically he should have been dead from the wound

[sheryden.livejournal.com]

It's kind of complicated, but Jack is immortal. He dies, but then he comes back. So he's kind of a tortured soul in that way. I could tell you the whys and wherefores, but I don't want to spoil you unless you want to be spoiled.

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm. I've seen maybe three eppys in the background so I know very little about the show and canon..I might go seek out season 1.

Being immortal does take the danger out of things in a way though.

Being a tortured soul though has me interested...wonder what that says about me....hm.

[sheryden.livejournal.com]

It's an amazing show. The character interaction is better in the second season, but the first season gives a lot of background information.

Being a tortured soul though has me interested...wonder what that says about me....hm.

I know what you mean. I tend to go for those characters, too.

Also, he does technically does die temporarily. He once said that dying and coming back is like being dragged through glass.

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, well I need something to watch once SGA's season is over with. Might find season 1 and watch it.

I like my angsty characters..though I find it amusing that he seems to kiss strangers that he meets....lol

[inthekeyofd.livejournal.com]

He can't die. I wouldn't say he's exactly a tortured soul..he's enjoying his time here, it's just when he loves someone, he outlives them.

I know I love the show..and Capt. Jack..and Ianto.

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

So he's Duncan from Highlander! Lol

But even Highlanders can die....or feel pain

Anyways thanks for the answers, now I'm not totally confused.

[inthekeyofd.livejournal.com]

There can be only one!!

OH, the topic of his death..it's a long implied story, believe me..it's LONG and transverses over to Doctor Who.

He can feel pain, it's just he comes back..so he's dead for a minute..or in one instance a few days..and boom, he's back.

He doesn't kiss random strangers though, they do sort of mean something..but flirts..yep, he does do that, but that's just him. *smile*

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

I saw last week's eppy where he went after some guy, they kissed then fought in a bar.....that was me being silly. Didn't mean anything by it.

I have no real plans to watch Dr Who, but what I'll do is wait for SGA to end and then d/l season 1.

[inthekeyofd.livejournal.com]

Oh, I didn't think you did..no worries!!

That was Captain John, they go way WAY back.

You'll enjoy it, I've been watching it for so long now, I watched the BBC versions (I had to, I loved that character on Doctor Who) then it finally played here almost a year later,..but season 2 here is right on schedule with the BBC version, well, pretty close at least, it's week ahead, so it's almost like a double encore version on Saturdays.

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

Lol, thats hwat happens when you are watching it in the background and don't catch everything thats beig said. I'm d/ling all of season 1, might be tomorrow before its done.

[alipeeps.livejournal.com]

You should seriously check out Doctor Who - it's a fab show and there's 3 seasons' worth tp watch so far so that should tide you over during the SGA hiatus! :D

It can be a little bit cheesy and tongue-in-cheek at times but in general it's a fantastic show that tells some great stories... and, especially once you get to the David Tennant series, WOW there's angst and whump! :D

The first season (talking new Doctor Who here, not the classic series) with Chris Eccleston is good and tells some great stories but the character, as played by Eccleston, didn't really grab me. I like the first series but I wasn't fannish. Then DT took over and I was hooked. Overnight. Didn't hurt that his first full episode, The Christmas Invasion, had him whumped through about 90% of it! :D

Seasons 2 and 3 with Tennant as the Doctor have been excellent with only one or two clunkers (yeah, avoid the Dalek 2-parter in Season 3! :/) and some really excellent episodes.

The Doctor, especially as played by Tennant, is such a wonderful, dark, mysterious character and sooo angsty and tortured - it's wonderful! :D Seriously - give it a go!

[x-erikah-x.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm.... not a surprise that you liked The Christmas Invasion, Ali!!! I liked that one too!!! It goes a long way to make us like the new doctor!!!


Anyway, Kristen, I like both shows, but Torchwood a little more. I need to check out more of Dr. Who, because I've only seen 12 episodes total, from all seasons mixed up, most being Cpt Jack's eps in the Dr. Who show...

But Cpt Jack is my fave character followed closely by DT's doctor. You should really check both shows, it's worth it! And it keeps me hooked during these low eps of Atlantis lately, although I am looking forward for Midway and The Last Man, but after those it's a pretty long hiatus.

I need a TW ad DW icon now. XD

[alipeeps.livejournal.com]

I don't have any TW icons but if you check out my user info and view all user pics there are a few good DW ones in there... :D

[x-erikah-x.livejournal.com]

Nice. Saw then and I'm getting inspired now. I feel massive iconing coming my way soon. The terrible part is that my plus account only supports 15 icons...

[alipeeps.livejournal.com]

You can buy more icon space - it only costs a couple of dollars! :D

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

I'm d/liing Torchwood to keep in reserve once SGA is doen for the season. As I told Ali.....I've tried to get into Dr. Who but its tough when you can't seem to like the Doctor! lol

I'll try on eof the eppys she suggested though....just to see if I've had bad luck the past few times I watched it.


We're past the eppys I was worried about in SGA, I'm looking forward to the lsat 4 eppys in glee, but I need to find something later!

[reen212000.livejournal.com]

The Institute has low res screencaps for TW.

Ninth Doctor only has series 1 with Christopher Eccleston.

And These screencaps are on LJ

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

I've really tried on many occasions to watch Dr Who but I can't get into it...could be I've picked bad episodes, I don't know. I don't find the Doctor likable which is problematic and I don't expect very high standards of special effects at all, but each one I watched they were really, really bad to the point of distracting.

I might give it another go, just because I've been told so many things! Maybe I'll d/l one of your suggestions. It'll have to wait, d/ling season one of Torchwood right now, and it'll take till tomorrow to get done.

[reen212000.livejournal.com]

Seasons 2 and 3 with Tennant as the Doctor have been excellent with only one or two clunkers (yeah, avoid the Dalek 2-parter in Season 3! :/) and some really excellent episodes.

Mmm yeah totally.

If you want some key eps, I'd start with (S2)Tooth & Claw. This is why/when Torchwood starts. The Girl in the Fireplace (S2) is a sad and angsty ep that focuses in on a lonely Doctor. Very good. From S1, the Captain Jack eps start with The Empty Child, through the end of that season. You can see how Jack became immortal (The Parting of Ways, I think) and Christmas Invasion features a new Doctor. Some h/c in that one. Army of Ghosts gives us the new Torchwood.

Some randomly weird episodes... Fear Her (S2), The Lazarus Experiment (S3), and these two eps Human Nature/The Family of Blood (S3) show The Doctor at his darkest.

Utopia (S3) is the return of Jack, which should have coincided with Torchwood's Abaddon (watch this first). Utopia is also the return of an old enemy.

And who is still creeped out by Blink? *shudders*

Also, Capt. John Hart is none other than James Marsters of Buffy fame. Hide yer poodles, ladies! You never know who Jack will kiss next. I'll watch Captain Jack Harness (S1 TW) for a sixth time if i have to. Dammit.

Enjoy!

[nicky69.livejournal.com]

Torchwood has me in a bit of a quandary. See I love Dr Who and I do really like Captain Jack but I'm not keen on the other characters in the show(Ianto aside).

I tend to merely tolerate them rather than actually enjoy their participation in the show.

As for what is going on with Jack, well I guess that has already been explained in the comments above.

He is to all purposes immortal, though he can die temporarily and he does feel pain. I remember that he described been brought back to life as being similar to being dragged back over broken glass.

The writers have gone to a lot of trouble to give Jack an air of mystery, providing us with only little glimpses of his past life and teasing us with the knowledge of possible future revelations about his character.

In a way he's a tragic character somewhat like The Doctor. Doomed to outlive or leave behind those that he has come to love he must find the strength to carry on and live with the consequences of his own past mistakes and losses.

Jack's character has a huge potential for angst and h/c and because so little is know of his background he provides a writer with infinite possible story lines without them even having to go against canon.

[kristen999.livejournal.com]

I like Jack and it sounds like he's a character I could get into. I like the idea of a mysterious past and all the tragedy and heartache, plus I like action and drama and the show seems to have a little of both.

As I've said to others...I've tried to get into Dr Who, but won't grab me....I'll try again once SPN and SGA go into repeats

sigh.

Thanks for the advice!